terça-feira, 21 de junho de 2016

Confronted Brexit: Farage vs. Verhofstadt

Nigel Farage: None. You know, I spent 20 years in the business. 20 years involved in international trade, the purchase and sale of goods in Rotterdam. I know that trade is not created by politicians, is not created by bureaucrats. The trade is created because consumers look at a product, says he wants, that you trust him and he's willing to pay that price.

Nigel Farage: Refletamos about it. Long-term: why the generation of my parents voted to do part of what was called the common market? Two reasons: first, they told them that it was not political; Second, because it gave us a free trade zone in Europe. 40 years later where we met? We have a different world through globalization, through an unlimited General Agreements on trade in services [GATS, the acronym in English] in the World Trade Organization. The main reason that ca used us to get into it, the barrier of the high tariffs is gone.

Nigel Farage: Don't! You can't because the World Trade Organization rules pré-acordou.

Nigel Farage: Let's assume, for the sake of arguments, that Germany and France, the eurozone, decide to cut relations with the main trading partner, with whom we negotiate with a surplus, and 90 million euros per year. In the worst-case scenario they impose customs fees to our products. But, the total cost of these fees is less than the quotas of European Union membership. We wouldn't have to accept future rules of the European Union. We would not have to accept the free movement of persons. And here's the bonus: we could negotiate our own trade agreements worldwide.

Nigel Farage: sure did. We are the second largest contributor.

Nigel Farage: don't have any commercial agreement with America, there is never any queue! When I see the IMF, OECD and all these groups funded by public money, I hear a little bell ringing, it's called euro. All these organizations told us that if the United Kingdom not to join Europe, direct investment would collapse; the City would close, all catastrophic for the United Kingdom prophecies. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

Nigel Farage: Auto-selected ... were self-selected.

Nigel Farage: I saw this poll. The participants were, effectively, self-selected. It makes no sense. See, the consensus.

Nigel Farage: you can be sure that I am. That's what brought me into politics. The consensus in 1990 said that the United Kingdom should join the exchange rate mechanism. We should index the pound to the German mark. All the major parties of the United Kingdom supported that. Trade unions supported. But, in 1992, we had a record number of resumes by banks and real estate business bankruptcies in the United Kingdom because we indexed the pound to the German mark. I was against this consensus. The same consensus that said we were in the euro, the same consensus that failed to predict the crisis and the financial collapse in 2008 and 2009. They've been wrong on everything, and frankly, in these matters, I have been right.

Nigel Farage: sure is growing ...

Nigel Farage: Of Course. If our population grows to half a million people a year, the GDP is growing, but not growing GDP per capita ". And what you can't measure. In other words, with regard to what an immigrant pays in taxes and receives in benefits, what we can't measure are those costs. How many new schools, how many new hospitals and roads were built. How can we bear all this? There are more things in life that are more important than the values of GDP, namely the quality of life and the cohesion of our community.

Nigel Farage: Yes. Never leave home without it. We used to have a British passport. It was one of the biggest prizes.

Nigel Farage: Is Over. I don't want this. I want to burn them all.

Nigel Farage: we can't stop anyone from coming. Unles s you represent ... The only citizens who can prevent the entry are those that represent a direct threat.

Nigel Farage: I wouldn't want someone with a criminal record came looking for work in my country. Why would I want to? Or any civilized nation?

Nigel Farage: has to be an imminent threat. That's the question. Argument in favour of the United Kingdom to become a normal country. Normal countries, in the world, create their own laws and control their borders. About 183 countries in the world to celebrate the independence day. All I want is to be next on the list.

Nigel Farage: absolutely. In two senses. First, in terms of terrorist threat. While we're outside of Schengen, I understand the reason and I appreciate that, I wo rry enormously when the heads of Europol and Interpol speak the number of extremists who allow enter Europe.

Nigel Farage: Why, it's just a matter of time before people obtain nationality, can European passports and enter freely in the United Kingdom. The other major problem-and internationally-we've thought about it enough â€" we know that in the week following the referendum will discuss here, the creation of a European army. That makes me really worried.

Nigel Farage: Oh, heavens ...

Nigel Farage: Don't say that. He said it was a problem.

Nigel Farage: say it's not a problem?

Nigel Farage: I see, so I'd prefer it to be swept under the carpet.

Nigel Farage: The 26 cases of sexual abuse that occurred there are days in a rock concert in Germany's culture of fear? Or should we hide that too? This is interesting. Very interesting. In this issue of sexual attacks in Cologne, the sexual attacks in the rock concert, I thought giving smoother response ever. He said it was a problem, not in the short term but in the long run. It is interesting to see how this created controversy. There were commentators and former Ministers saying things more serious than I.

Nigel Farage: I never said that. That's crazy talk inflamed ...

Nigel Farage: no, no, no. Andrew Neather, who worked for To ny Blair in Downing Street, said we were going to rub the noses of us diversity right and opened the doors to mass immigration on a scale never seen before. If someone wonder 77% the British want to now border control?

Nigel Farage: that's like asking a general what to do if you lose the war.

Nigel Farage: can't admit this hypothesis. I'd be crazy if I did. How could I be sitting here talking to you, having worked all night without rest, giving my maximum in recent days to try to get the Brexit. I cannot admit a defeat. Ask me later if things go wrong.

Nigel Farage: the best people to decide the fate of the United Kingdom are the British themselves. That's what we should do, through the ballot box, in our Parliament.

Guy Verhofstadt: I don't see him as a crisis, but as an opportunity. It can change the game. Could be a moment in history that created enormous opportunities.

Guy Verhofstadt: A chance to fix the European Union, because it doesn't work well. It is not difficult to recognize that look at the refugee crisis, terrorism, the crisis of the euro, geopolitical weakness of Europe, it is not difficult to recognize that this Europe does not work. For me, the Brexit â€" Yes or no â€" is an opportunity for open discussion on the foundations of the European Union.

Guy Verhofstadt: Pandora's box is there now. Everyone says Yes, we don't need different kinds of associations. I say we already have 28 types of associations. There is no European Uni on. In my books "the last chance of Europe" and "Europe's disease" [translation] describe at least 12 different European Unions that currently exist. Therefore, it is important to get rid of it. I think the discussion around the United Kingdom is an opportunity to establish what you consider to be a core group to go further in integration.

Guy Verhofstadt: most of these people want to stay in the European Union, but not in the European Union. You have to distinguish between what people think about this European Union, which does not work and that creates crises, and a Europe as a whole, an idea, a project, a vision for the future. Many people, mostly, want this Europe and further integration with the European Union, whether to a European defence community.

Guy Verhofstadt: I don't think that's the opinion. F or example, Barak Obama, who said it would be absurd to the United Kingdom out of the European Union. If we don't solve the problems, if the European Union is not reformed, there will be more and more populist and nationalist, there will be more and more people to vote for nationalist and populist parties in anti-euro brigades. For this reason, what I did, in my book, it was subscribe most criticisms by the anti-euro brigades and populist parties. They are right when they criticize this European Union and are wrong when they say they're going to solve the problems. We'd have to go back to the 19TH-century nation States.

Guy Verhofstadt: It doesn't have much weight for Europe in General. There is a lack of labour mobility in Europe. Labour mobility in Europe is ten times lower than, for example, in the United States. One consequence of this is that two million jobs in Europe. Two million jobs unfilled. They're right when they say that there is a flaw in the European approach to refugees, migration, asylum ... The reality is that there is still no European policy on migration, asylum or refugees.

Guy Verhofstadt: three things. Firstly, to create a European border and Coast Guard. It does not exist. Can you imagine that there is freedom of movement in the European Union, but there is no common border management at the external borders. Despite all the problems we have and that we now see at the borders with Greece and Turkey. Second, create an asylum system. Dublin is not an asylum system.

Guy Verhofstadt: the Treaty of Dublin says the opposite. Tell the Greeks and talianos: responsibility and your problems, we are not responsible for it. Finally, the legal entry into European territory must be po ssible. The Americans have the Green Card. The Canadians and Australians also have. We don't have. In Europe we have 28 immigration laws.

Guy Verhofstadt: here too, Europe is the solution. Let's be honest, we need the European powers in relation to intelligence and in combating terror. The Bureau was created in 1901. We need the same at European level.

Guy Verhofstadt: I was President of the Council when we created the European arrest warrant. Right? The warrant was created after the September 11 attacks.

Guy Verhofstadt: you must do this because, otherwise, will continue to exist as the scandals we saw after the attack of Paris, when Abdul Salam was stopped near the Belgian border and the French police did not recognize it. The Belgian police knew, the French police did nothing and he could proceed.

Guy Verhofstadt: Yes, but the numbers are slightly different. Most of them and of the studies give a huge disadvantage to the United Kingdom if this leave the European Union. I'm not say, are the experts. They say that there will be a drop in economic growth, between the 2 10% in the United Kingdom. Therefore, in all cases, I think it's a bad thing.

Guy Verhofstadt: Federalism is not a bad word.

Guy Verhofstadt: what is Not the most powerful nation in the world? The United States.

Guy Verhofstadt: The United States is a federal State. A federal State is a sign of strength and a sign to join our forces.

Guy Verhofstadt: the opposite is true. We have to compete with who? With China. China is not a nation. China is a civilization. A civilization Hun as we are a European civilization. The India. The India is not a nation. The India has 2,000 ethnic groups, twenty four major dialects and religions. The greatest democracy, the USA are the same. Are 50 States with their own constitutions to work together. Tomorrow's world is a world of Empires, it's not a world of small Nations.

Guy Verhofstadt: is very simple. The geopolitical interests of the United Kingdom is to remain in the European Union. The only person I think is laughing with is Vladimir Putin Brexit. He likes a divided Europe. The United Kingdom should remain in the European Union by geopolitical issues.

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